Web Development IDEs

Not an IDE, but the best text editor I’ve used for web development is Visual Studio Code.

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Tbh i don’t care if an IDE takes 10 or 15secs to load. I start it like 5 times a day at most, that’s it. Usually i’ll get myself coffee right after hitting the shortcut anyways :slight_smile:

VSCode is a pretty good one made by Microsoft. It has well integrated and encompassing support for HTML, CSS/LESS/SASS, JavaScript, TypeScript, JSX/React Native; providing typed intellisense, TypeScript and ES6 transpiling, and linting for those languages. It also includes a built-in debugger for Node.JS with breakpoints, data/stack inspection, support for JS source maps, and a debug console. It tops off with built-in git support for common commands. They have feature gaps covered with support for community made extensions.

It uses Github’s electron as a framework which atom also uses but it feels a lot faster than atom.

IntelliJ > Sublime Text > Netbeans > Notepad > Eclipse

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IntelliJ > Visual Studio > Netbeans > Sublime Text > Notepad > Eclipse

ftfy

Yes, yes, eclipse sucks, I agree. xD

Only thing I like about Eclipse is that it has more free (as in price) and open source features. Then again, I could whip up an IntelliJ community edition plugin with all of the features of the ultimate edition, and then open source it… It would be a lot of work though :slight_smile:

Why so much hate for Eclipse?

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Because it’s evil.
:smile:

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It has Satan’s touch

I’ve stayed out of this thread so far because @Socratic_Phoenix said eclipse was off his radar and so I didn’t feel the need to contribute anything. There were some good suggestions made above, however the fact that the thread has now just descended into bashing eclipse (and others) has frankly pissed me off enough to comment because it’s utterly unecessary and - more poignantly - unhelpful to anyone who might wish to glean some actual useful information from the thread. We all have our preferences but bashing someone elses preferences is not the way to extol yours.

Now, I completely realise eclipse might not be everyone’s cup of tea, but seriously, lay the hell off the negativity since it’s misleading to someone new to the scene who may be wondering which IDE to use and is actually … you know … looking for reliable information.

Eclipse isn’t so much a single IDE as it is a platform for creating your ideal IDE, which makes it extremely powerful in the right hands. As someone who uses it day-in, day-out for everything from Java to C++ to PHP and HTML I can attest to its efficacy. Eclipse is very much the linux of the IDE landscape - unforgiving, but if you learn its excentricities you will discover it is mind-meltingly powerful.

Sublime text, Notepad++ etc. are not really IDEs so can be discounted in the IDE considerations, but if you want an editor then they both have their strengths, though NotePad++ really shines in having a rich array of plugins to choose from. Sublime text is deliciously pleasant to use though it’s less welcoming to new users.

Visual Studio is acceptable as a web-dev IDE, though it’s not the most flexible and it really needs plugins before it becomes a servicable IDE. The fact that its web dev features are aimed squarely at ASP really starts to show once you take it outside its comfort zone, though within its comfort zone it’s pretty much unrivalled. It’s also easily the slowest of all the IDEs, though it’s getting better in more recent versions, and has the worst keyboard support of pretty much any IDE out-of-the-box, which can be a big turn off if you’re very keyboard-oriented.

Netbeans I can’t speak for, as the last time I used netbeans was over 5 years ago now, so I won’t comment on it other than to say it’s features were adequate but there are better choices.

IntelliJ is reasonably fast and if you can cope with its quirks is a really nice environment to work in, it beats all but Sublime text in terms of appearances though its feature set is squarely aimed at java and jetbrains do some better products aimed more specificly at web dev. Incidentally jetbrains also make ReSharper which could be coyly referred to as “intellij for visual studio” which is a must-have if you want to actually use Visual Studio without going completely insane. Its 250 quid but it’s absolutely worth it to make VS operate like a modern IDE.

Ok, haters need read no further.

To anyone reading this who isn’t @Socratic_Phoenix or any of the people mindlessly bashing eclipse: it’s worth bearing in mind that there are base editions (or rather, “distributions” in effect) of eclipse which are aimed at specific types of dev (much like jetbrains different offerings) and especially when working with dynamic languages such as PHP it’s an extremely powerful tool, largely thanks to a system called DLTK which constantly “compiles” your application in the background and provides exceptionally good auto-complete and other “rich” editing features normally associated with strongly-typed languages.

It’s important to anyone coming in fresh to dev that IDEs can be very much a matter of personal taste so some crucial points to bear in mind:

  • If you don’t like an IDE, don’t let that put you off development! Try another IDE until you find one that you like.
  • If you find an IDE that you do like, don’t panic if it doesn’t do everything you want it to. All the popular IDEs available are extensible via plugins (yes, even Visual Studio) so don’t be afraid to search
  • Use the right tool for the right job! As the saying goes: sometimes if all you have is a hammer then every problem starts to look like a nail. Always bear in mind the two previous points, and if your IDE is hindering you then change it or extend it. It’s okay - and in many cases prudent - to use different IDEs for different languages.
  • Text editors are the quick and dirty, text editors are changing a flat tyre at the side of the road, or mending your coat with sticky tape until you get home
  • IDEs are what you should be using for projects, IDEs are servicing your engine in your garage or making a new coat from fresh fabric.
  • If you find yourself working on a project in a text editor, you’re almost certainly making life unnecessarily harder for yourself
  • Don’t listen to the haters. If you want to try something out, don’t be afraid to.

Oh yeah, one last thing:
#eclipsemasterrace

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Although I disagree with #eclipsemasterrace, I do agree that it has its great benefits. Such as being faster at loading than IntelliJ (since it doesn’t index).

I suppose I should have been more clear, the above was a joke. I have a habit of appending emojis to more offensive jokes in the hope they’ll be taken lightly. I personally prefer IntelliJ because of its design, auto complete, and easy gradle/git, but all of these are supported by plugins in eclipse.

As is IntelliJ, most of JetBrains products are extensions of the already-exisring, open source community edition of IntelliJ. Eclipse, however, seems to have quite a few more plugins.

One of the reasons I do prefer it.


I actually started out with Eclipse, and found it a great IDE (with a better GUI builder). Someone suggested I try IntelliJ, and I found I liked it’s specific feature set more than eclipse’s. This is mainly because I am solely a Java developer, and am yet to pick up another language (although I want to) - yes I know the grammars of HTML and CSS, but I needed an editor, hence this thread. Overall I’m trying to say that both ideas are great[quote=“mumfrey, post:19, topic:12475”]
cups of tea
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#####Sorry for starting a flame war…

This too was a joke… chill out @mumfrey

Actually, the main reason why I’ve been using IntelliJ is that Eclipse is slower on my projects. It usually takes about 1-2 minutes from program start to an actual window appearing, and then another ~5 to finish “Building workspace” and become usable. In my opinion, the one thing going for Eclipse is that it has more free (as in price) and open source features than IntelliJ. (Then again, it’s been some time since I’ve used Eclipse, and IntelliJ does seem to be getting slower… Maybe I should switch back to Eclipse and try it out again.)

http://www.ihateeclipse.com/

Wow… Wow. Just, what even? xD

In the style of the above website, I’ll comment on IntelliJ:
Tool windows, not in the “windows” tab, not in the “tools” tab. In the “view” tab. GG JetBrains, gg.

Such was the import of this great debate, it inspired this. WARNING: Poeming
(with apologies to @mumfrey who is always a great inspiration to us all).

What’s the difference between Eclipse and your wife? Eclipse still sucks after 5+ years

(my favorite one)

btw

Tool windows, not in the “windows” tab, not in the “tools” tab. In the “view” tab. GG JetBrains, gg.

makes sence to me

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I forget what I was reading once but I came across this program called Brackets. It’s a pretty simple and sleek little text editor that hooks up directly to Google chrome so you can see your changes in real time.

Sorry if that was mentioned already. I didn’t read all the replies.

so with a fresh viewpoint, from a hopeful learning future dev. i’ve been learning java slowly now for a bit using eclipse, and let me tell you i love how sponge is set up with eclipse right now lol. getting a workspace set up right now is so easy!

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